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Sunday, July 7

How to choose? / IDRS 2013 art. 1 / Comment choisir?

I still want to digest my impressions from having tried all the oboe brands at the IDRS 2013 conference, but the experience really begs the question "How does a person choose?"… especially when there are so many excellent instruments to choose from! IMG_00000196
Alain deGourdon of Lorée
Je veux prendre le temps de digérer mes impressions d'avoir essayé toutes les marques de hautbois à la conférence IDRS 2013, mais l'expérience mène à la question : "Comment choisit-on?"… surtout quand il y a tellement d'excellents instruments à choisir!
Asking some high profile professionals on Facebook to compare makers or models, I found it frustrating when they answered "it's a matter of individual preference"..... shouldn't one be clearly better than another? Well, I don't know about 3 years ago, but in 2013, most makers produce truly remarkable instruments. They all said this was partly the result of meeting and talking with professionals over the years at the IDRS conferences and other venues: BRAVO to IDRS for this!


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Renaud Patalowski and Jean-Marc Jourquin from Marigaux
J'ai trouvé frustrant de demander, sur Facebook, aux professionnels de renommée de comparer les marques et modèles parce que leur réponse était le plus souvent : "C'est une question de goût personnel".... ne devrait-il pas y avoir une distinction nette? Et bien, je ne sais pas comment c'était il y a 3 ans, mais en 2013, la plupart des fabricants produisent des instruments vraiment remarquables. Ils ont tous dit que c'est partiellement le résultat de rencontrer des professionnels au fil des ans à la conférence IDRS et autres avenues : BRAVO à IDRS pour ceci!
Friendly Competition
The makers I spoke to and corresponded with believe success should come from integrity, not commercial manipulation. This struck in me a chord of disbelief due to our capitalistic-consumerist age, but the more I talk with them, the more I'm inclined to believe them. They all said they work with professionals to build an instrument that helps musicians reach our goals. Naturally, different makers concentrate on different aspects and different musicians have different goals, which means different people will prefer different makers: they seemed completely at peace with this, not wishing anyone to buy theirs half-heartedly.... though, naturally, their business interests and pride are hoping we get theirs!
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Jürgen Stork, oboe-guy at Püchner


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Philippe Rigoutat
Compétition amicale
Les fabricants à qui j'ai parlé et correspondu croient que la réussite doit venir de l'intégrité, pas par manigances commerciales. Ceci m'a laissé incrédule dans notre génération capitaliste et consommatrice, mais le plus je leur parle, le plus j'ai tendance à les croire. Ils affirment tous travailler avec des professionnels pour développer des instruments qui aident aux musiciens à atteindre nos objectifs. Bien sûr, chaque fabricant se concentre sur des aspects choisis, ce qui implique que les buts différents de chaque musicien graviteront vers différentes marques: ils semblent à l’aise avec ceci, ne voulant pas qu’on choisisse le leur à reculons.... quqoique, bien sûr, c’est flatteur et plus profitable qu'on choisisse le leur!

Perfect fit:
Choosing an oboe might very well be like choosing running shoes. My first few years in the Canadian Army Reserves, as a musician, I still had to do military training which included a lot of physical fitness. We did a lot of running and I would use the running shoes provided by the Army, but the other members with more experience kept telling me to buy expensive shoes from a sports store. A few years later, I did that and POOF: no more tight muscles and both speed and endurance just sky-rocketed! But you can select from many brands, some are great for you while actually damaging to someone else's ankles. I now think the same goes for oboe: if I dislike one maker, it might be a God-send for someone else.




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Frank Meyer, businessman for Ludwig Frank and Gebrüder Mönnig


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Bulgheroni, father and son

Taillé sur mesure:
Choisir un hautbois peut bien être comme choisir des chaussures pour la course. Mes quelques années comme musicien dans la Réserve Militaire du Canada comptaient l’entraînement militaire, incluant beaucoup de course. J'utilisais les espadrilles fournies par le militaire, mais les autres membres avec plus d'expérience me disaient d'en acheter des dispendieux dans un magasin sportif. Quelques années plus tard, je l'ai fait et POUF: plus de crampes aux mollets et un accroissement soudain de vitesse et d’endurance! Mais on peut choisir parmi un nombre de marques et tandis qu'une marque peut être formidable pour soi, elle peut carrément causer des blessures chez quelqu'un d'autre. Je crois que c'est pareil pour le hautbois: si je critique un fabricant, le même est peut-être miraculeux pour quelqu'un d'autre.

Stopping at Innoledy's booth on the last day, Tong Cui applied his inescapable logic in order to help me decide on a favourite. His killer questions were:

1. "No holds barred, which is the one you would buy if you had a million dollars but could only buy one?"

The answer to this was the Dupin Imperial.... but I must confess the 'exotic/unobtainable' aspect of that instrument holds some kind of sex-appeal for me!

2. "If you HAD to buy an instrument RIGHT NOW because you have to perform tonight, which would you want to take home?"

I surprized myself to answer was Fossati because I found it the perfect mid-point between what I like from Marigaux and Rigoutat.... but here too, I have to confess that my answer came too quickly, because at this point, the characteristic sounds of Marigaux and Mönnig Platinum (or L. Frank) still have tremendous appeal to me while the absolute freedom of Rigoutat and the sheer power of Püchner (with the Bulgheroni at mid-point) are terribly attractive!

So honestly, right now, I cannot choose! I will enumerate my impressions in detail of these in one or two posts.


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Ton Cui of Innoledy


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Pascal Emery (Fossati)

Visitant l'étalage d'Innoledy le dernier jour, Tong Cui a appliqué sa logique inéluctable pour m'aider à choisir un favori. Ses questions-pièges étaient :

1. "Sans aucune restreinte, quel instrument achèterais-tu si t'avais un million de dollars mais ne pouvait acheter qu'un seul?"

La réponse est le Dupin Impérial, mais j'avoue que son aspect 'exotique/intouchable' ajoute à son attrait!

2. "Si tu DEVAIS acheter un instrument IMMÉDIATEMENT pour un concert ce soir, quel apporterais-tu à la maison?"

Je me suis surpris à répondre Fossati parce que je le considère à mi-chemin entre ce que j'aime de Marigaux et Rigoutat... mais ici aussi, je dois avouer que j'ai répondu trop vite, parce qu'à ce point, les timbres caractéristiques de Marigaux et Mönnig Platinum (ou L.Frank) me tiennent toujours captif tandis que la liberté absolue de Rigoutat et la pure puissance de Püchner (avec Bulgheroni à mi-chemin) restent irrésistibles!

Donc maintenant, en toute honnêteté, je ne peux pas choisir! Je ferai l'énumération de mes impressions de ces essais dans un ou deux articles.

Thursday, November 1

Canadian Oboist in New-York, part 2. (Marigaux, Mönnig and Howarth)

Mes excuses de ne pas inclure une version française, l’article est trop long et le sujet mérite se faire exposer en entier. Je crois que je préfère traduire et en faire des articles complèts séparés (celui de Laubin aussi) que j’annoncerai, le temps venu.

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During my visit to New-York, while my wife was on her 2nd day at the pro. photography event, I saw on TV that a super-storm was expected in the next few days... This was Hurricane Sandy and I listened carefully to see if we'd be able to drive home. We were lucky: we left on Saturday at noon and NYC closed its subways by the time we got home. Luckily, Laubin and Innoledy were not adversely affected, but the State of New Jersey (a big part of our drive home) was devastated. Our prayers and thoughts are with the victims of this storm.

Why do I own a Lorée?

Thinking back on it, my own Lorée is the only instrument I could possibly have purchased back in 1985, as I was auditioning for the Conservatoire de Montréal. It was on the only recommendation I could get and the only professional brand really available in Eastern-Canada at the time (if we rule-down Selmer) because stores in Montréal simply didn’t know of Laubin and going to N.Y. was not really an option. So I had the choice of 2 Lorées in Montréal and I took the one that eliminated the risk of cracking!

But my Conservatoire teacher played Marigaux and some students who went to Paris for the summer would come back with Marigaux or Rigoutat. Still, Lorée was considered top of the line, so the thought of trying other brands to help sound and tuning never occurred to anyone! Now, more than 25 years later, I was able to try brand new and very old Lorées (before 1970), an old Strasser and new Howarths from the collection at Gary Armstrong Woodwinds (see post here Pointing up ) and this really opened my eyes to the effects of an instrument well suited to the individual player.

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When Innoledy opened shop, and began to stock Marigaux, Mönnig and Howarth, the temptation to go visit became simply irresistible! Tong Cui built-up Innoledy (“Innovation in Melody”) to import the world’s finest and also to provide a platform by which the manufacturers can meet and discuss with the musicians: innoledyLocationthus manufacturers can better understand the needs of the players while players can get to know instruments that would otherwise be almost fully out of reach. To help in this objective, he often hosts events where famous soloists (along with those who make their instruments) play, teach and share with anyone who wishes to attend.

For me, contact with the manufacturers started long before through the internet. But the ability to try the instruments remained elusive, until Innoledy began to import them.

Innoledy is set-up in a posh part of Manhattan, accessible to everyone and providing both a very safe location and an inspiring setting. The instruments in the show-room are classy and sophisticated; which is accentuated by the atmosphere provided by the location. The same way that one might not trust buying a Ferrari in a flea-market, the show-room, repair shop and highly expert staff make Innoledy a choice place to try these choice instruments, which are hard to find elsewhere on the East Coast.

Criteria for oboe testing:

Everywhere I tried instruments, be it at the U. of O. Oboe Event (here Pointing up), Montréal stores (here Pointing up) or at Laubin (here Pointing up), I used the same criteria:

  1. Tuning: I do not mean A=438, 440 or 442, but rather how octaves, fifths and generally how notes tune in relation with each other across the whole range of the instrument.
  2. Stability of all notes during crescendi/diminuendi (both fast and slow) as well as with different articulations. Recall: I find most Lorées to “wobble” some notes when you least expect (or want) it – my own Lorée was greatly improved in this respect when Laubin re-voiced it.
  3. Sound characteristics : general description, stuffiness of specific notes and congestion (inability to crescendo) in general and for specific notes.
  4. Altissimo register (3rd 8va key range): especially above G.

Note: I did not ask about the price, I only want to know the instruments.

The Adventure

  • First, I had a phone call with Tong to confirm the appointment:
    • Tong Cui is a very straight-talking kind of guy who says what he thinks without wasting time on “decorating the truth”: something I appreciate a lot!
    • He is also something of a philosopher and the questions he asked lead the conversation and really opened-up my understanding of how to deal with and absorb unexpected feelings that came up when playing on these fantastic instruments.
  • Accomodation: Tong was actually in the middle of organising one of his events and his sales associate (Kristin Leitterman) had a full schedule of rehearsals and courses for her Doctorate program in performance. Nonetheless, they went out of their way to help me spend some time with the instruments and make my experience very pleasant indeed!
  • Instruments: I think they have many more than what I tried (e.g. Other Mönnig, other Howarth and Adler) but I did not even ask because my curiosity centered around the list below and time was limited. More testing visits are in order!
  • Reeds: no time to play with worst of them, but I did use good reeds and mediocre reeds.

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  1. Howarth XL
  2. Two Marigaux 901
  3. Marigaux M2
  4. Gebrüger Mönnig Platinum (American model)
  5. Covey, almost new
  6. K-Ge, plastic, full Conservatoire
  7. Gebrüger Mönnig Platinum Oboe D'amore.... Chosen by Albrecht Mayer!
  8. My own Lorée: used as a benchmark.

My impressions:

  • Altissimo: above G was very difficult and on some reeds, even D and above was difficult.
    • I blame this on the approaching hurricane Sandy, because the altissimo was also difficult on my Lorée even if, in Ottawa, I go up to A and Bb without undue grief.
    • I am very confident that if I can go to IDRS 2013 in California, the altissimo on all of them will be fine.
  • Ergonomics:
    • None of the instruments showcased at Innoledy cramped my fingers at all, but I suppose I would really have to play on each for hours to know for certain.
    • Marigaux’s new design of the little finger palms in the M2, works out really well. At first, I thought it might inhibit some strange fingerings I like, but they work quite nicely.
    • Mönnig does things differently (angles of keys and palms) from what I am used to. But after a few minutes of playing, it worked out fine.
  • On all showroom instruments, tuning was impeccable with all reeds. My Lorée plays better than the brand-new AK models I have tried (thanks to the re-voicing done by Laubin), but it still suffers from some instability and some notes with iffy tuning. All instruments at Innoledy were great, in this respect.
  • It needs more experimentation, but stability seemed fine with all reeds. I spent much less time testing stability on the Covey and K-Ge. Marigaux (all) and Mönig had strikingly dependable tuning and stabiltiy.
  • XLsmAll new showroom instruments were simply easy to play, which is not true of all professional level oboes.
  • All Howarth XL’s I have played up to now (3 of them) played the same way, so it appears to be a dependable model. It sounds closely enough to, but Lorée without the “framing” (and also without the unstable notes).
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    • 901 is not “just a standard model”, it is a fully expressive instrument. Reputation confirmed, any reed plays well in a Marigaux! The two different 901s played slightly differently
      • One was noticeably more free-blowing than the other, although both were amazingly stable and versatile for dynamics and articulation.
      • The freer one, without changing anything in my reeds, embouchure or breath techniques, immediately improves my sound and musical expression.
    • The M2 is just a heavenly instrument, so charming to play, but it shows the difference between good and mediocre reeds. It plays very well with all reeds, the character changes more than the 901 when changing reeds.
  • oboeDamore_w170AM_cropThe Mönnig Platinum Oboe is also a magical instrument, a real pleasure to play. It also shows the difference between good and mediocre reeds, but has a much more cottony sound than the M2.
    • This is the first time I play a German instrument, so I need more time to confirm my impressions. It appears to also play well with any reed and with all my bizarre fingerings.
    • Kristin said that my sound was much more focussed on the XL, but I don’t know if this is really a flawed sound or a matter of taste and personal preference.
    • Because I didn’t have time to take recordings, I don’t know yet if this cottony sound is the “baroque-esque” quality that I like so much from Albrecht Mayer. This is a difficult question, because on the Mönnig d’amore (both bells), I sounded like an English Horn, whereas Mayer sounds like a baroque oboe.
  • Mönnig Platinum d’amore
    • Selected by Albrecht Mayer himself! Again, a magical instrument!
    • The reason for 2 bells becomes obvious when you try them: the round bell is perfect for chamber music and the conical bell for solo.
    • I sounded like an English Horn when playing... but that is me and my reeds because obviously Albrecht Mayer has a very distinct d’amore sound on the same instrument.
  • Both the Mönnig Platinum and the M2 would require me to work on my embouchure and breathing (the Platinum more so): they are truly high-character instruments that offer the widest range of expressive possibilities. Because I did formerly get Conservatoire and University training to the point of being able to start (though not continue) a professional career, I know what to do and it will not be hard: in fact it would be a very happy and welcome change to feeling boxed-in by the instruments I have known to this day.
  • Covey:
    • Less friendly to strong air pressure or hard reeds, although full range of dynamics and articulation.
    • Very relaxed feeling when playing.
    • It should be choice instrument for recording or stage performance where microphones and electronic mixing are key to the final result.
  • K-Ge :
    • Plays very well but no personality.
    • Keywork fully functional, nothing that is not fully necessary (no split D).
    • If the price is right, this is the ideal high-school instrument, or in preparation for auditions to the Conservatoire or College.
    • It might also prove very useful as an outdoor stage instrument.

Conclusion & my pick

Choosing a favourite is really difficult. The XL is really excellent, but it is just not in the line of sounds I am looking for. Although the “better” 901 (the other one is amazing too) would just make my playing soar right now, I just really like the higher-end models more.

If I were an orchestral pro., I would probably go for the 901 because of its versatility. But as an amateur, I can follow my whims! So I choose either the M2 or the Platinum. Both the Marigaux M2 and the Gebrüder Mönnig Platinum are astounding instruments: choosing between them will require more experimentation. Hopefully, I will go to the IDRS 2013 conference this year and try them more fully!

Really Happy Conclusion

I still want to try Dupin, Rigoutat, Fossatti, Püchner, Bulgheroni and Viennese (Wolfe), but if for any reason I never get the opportunity to do so, I have definitely found 2 instruments that completely fulfil my expectations while opening the door to my aspirations for playing. These are just magnificent oboes!

Concerning my question (from this post): “Would a better oboe really speed-up the improvement of my playing?”, I think the answer should ring a resounding “YES”! The Marigaux M2 and the Mönnig Platinum really appear to want to make my life easier. At the very, very least, I do not have to fight with them to play in tune: the instrument helps me!

Oboe or d’amore?

This is the only thing that annoys me about my visit to NYC: for some time, I’ve been saying I want to buy a d’amore unless I find an oboe that really blows me away... Well, I have indeed found at least 3 oboes that blow me away, but both the Laubin and Mönnig d’amores also touched me strongly... more experimentation required to hopefully help me make a choice!

Saturday, June 30

Oboe Innovations – Appearance and Sound

You know the old joke?

A conductor is in love with two women; one is ravishingly beautiful but hates music, the other is a wonderful coloratura that looks like a blowfish. Being a deeply artistic musician, he decides to marry the soprano. But on the morning after the wedding, he wakes up to see his new bride “in the light of day”. In a fit of panic, he shakes her violently saying : “For God’s sake, SING!

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It is very easy to say that what matters in an instrument is the sound, not the way it looks. In fact, for generations, nearly all oboes essentially looked like high-school band instruments! In a picture, an oboe by any maker could be passed off as any other maker.

NOTE: this post does not intend to compare the quality or merit of instrument brands. My purpose here is to show some of the more noteworthy innovations in the art and science of making oboes and how the manufacturers are aiming to recapture sound and qualities that might have been lost with standardization and industrialization.

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[1] Dupin Imperial [2] violin [3] past Fossati
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[4] Th. Orlowski (oboe) [5] Gebr. Mönning (d’Amore)

I can understand that the very complex keywork requires an even body to facilitate the mechanism, but how very bland compared to instruments from the classical or baroque eras. Even the Viennese oboe has retained a sense of woodwork. But this blog post intends to explore the opposite possibility: manufacturers who are passionate about giving their instrument a true personality might very much want to reflect that in the appearance as well as the sound.

Besides, it is very likely that the measurements of the wood in different parts of the instrument might well influence the sound: that is why great violins are not made of plywood! So “decorating” the instrument with different looking crowns or bells must certainly affect the sound.

Heinz Holliger, naturally, was my first oboe hero and he remains my standard for ornamenting Handel and dynamic expression. But when I heard Louise Pèllerin (Marigaux) my jaw dropped and my sense of sound aesthetic changed forever. Although Pèllerin remains a benchmark for me, Albrecht Mayer keeps turning my head when I hear him. At first, it was on the radio and I thought he played baroque oboe with a mediocre sound…. when I learned he played modern instruments, this was a revolution!

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Left to right: Gebr. Mönning Platinum (Albr. Mayer),
Ludwig Frank, Marigaux 2001 Altuglass,
Fossati 20th An. Soliste, Josef 2th An., Dupin Impérial.

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Google-searching Mayer is how I discovered the work of Ludwig Frank (here Pointing up) and how his instruments look different, inside and outside. At the insistence of Albrecht Mayer, Ludwig Frank developed a conical bell for his Oboe d’Amore and English Horn (branded as Mönning Platinum).

Gregor Witt: L. Frank
Although actual Ludwig Frank oboes already had a unique looking “traditional German” bell, similar to those made by Thomas Orlowski (tan and brown bells above Pointing up) Mayer also influenced the Mönning Platinum oboe that is more French in design, but still looks and sounds most distinctly. Although Mayer made the Gebrüder Mönning (here Pointing up) Platinum better known around the world, I have heard excellent oboists playing the real Ludwig Frank with a really special sound: “full-body velvet”! That is, as warm and smooth as one can imagine, yet capable of every dynamic and articulation: a real work of art!


François Leleux: M2
Marigaux is probably the instrument played most by international soloists and orchestras of all levels in Europe. has gained much attention with their “Altuglass” oboe (here Pointing up), and more recently with their M2 (here Pointing up) instrument has a particular design: the top joint has only the octave keys and the middle joint has all the finger keys! You typically buy a wooden head joint and a synthetic one to prevent cracks due to weather. The head joints also come in 3 lengths to help tuning for different orchestras.

J-L Fillon: 2001 Altuglass
The Altuglass need not fear cracking as it is fully synthetic: but the sound remains easily as beautiful as any wood instrument, ebony, rosewood or cocobolo. The M2 is becoming a favourite of soloists in Europe: the sound leaves no question as to why!

Tomoharu Yoshida: Fossati
Fossati (here Pointing up) decided to give a fully contemporary look to their instruments by removing almost all decoration. They produced a German-looking bell for a short while on special request. This bell gave a darker richer tone. It also served as the basis for their newest Soliste 20th Anniversary line: although the bell looks very plain, it is supposed to exaggerate the warmth and fullness of the tone. Perhaps Fossati’s most noteworthy innovations are a the trill keys that use only one hole and the metal alloys they use on the keys. The single hole trills help prevent cracks whereas the metal alloy apparently resists wear and tear from sweat and rubbing much better than silver, chrome or gold.

Simon Emes: Josef
Japan is one surprize after another: you can find there a whole society devoted to the Viennese oboe, a soloist (Oboe, Ob. d’Amore and English Horn) who is a fervent expert on Dupin oboes (below) and a maker of innovative modern instrument with the vision of creating the perfect oboe with a Japanese personality. Josef (here Pointing up) is this instrument maker and one of the means to get a Japanese personality is to change the decoration of the crown and the bell. The one pictured here is only one of several very different looking models.

Christoph Hartman and Renato Bizotto, Dupin Imperial.
Did I save the best for last? A true innovator while at the same time conserving the age-honoured craft of making oboes completely by hand, Rolland Dupin (here Pointing up) and his son Christophe have a solid reputation for making the most dependable modern oboes. They also make baroque oboes, which might explain how they imagined the Imperial oboe which has not only a very stylised bell, but also a decorated head-joint: not quite Viennese, but similar to baroque.The Imperial (made famous by Christoph Hartman) is capable of a variety of tone colours from the clear and virtuosic to warm and expressive. Dupin oboes are highly prized in Northern-Europe and many other places around the world. My absolute favourite style of orchestral playing is Scandinavian: when any instrument plays a solo, you don’t need to guess – you hear the flute solo, clarinets freely sound their beauty and oboes don’t sound as if they were ashamed of their tone. The oboes have remarkable qualities, rustic yet sophisticated, bold yet sensitive: truly my favourite style of playing. Perhaps the preference for Dupin instruments there might have something to do with it.